Speaking of Triumph

[Fatfatboy]

While Triumph is jumping on the Mx world they are also making some real improvements on their Scrambler model.

The Scramble C is on its way out and there is now the Scrambler x and XE with the XE being more off-road focus.

Triumph listened to the people and dropped both the seat height and price on the Scrambler X. With the low seat the seat height is 31.3”. The exiting C model was over 33”.
The new X is $1,150 less than the C model with an MSRP of $13,595.00. Not a bad price for a 1200cc bike with brembo’s, four ride modes and ABS.

The more off-rode XE model has a seat height of 34.3”. It also has one more ride mode. Off-road Pro.
The XE has an MSRP of $15,295.00

They both share the same tubular frame and laced tubeless 21” front and 17” rear wheels so it’s all in the suspension which is now Marzocchi in lieu of Showa and Ohlins.

[Fatfatboy]

https://ridermagazine.com/2023/10/03/2024-triumph-scrambler-1200-x-and-xe-review-first-look/


https://youtu.be/IWkPE8TFwqU?si=zROcypx3T61kTGNO

[oldironnow]

Nice view.




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[m143]

I wonder what is the improvement from the OHLINS units?

[oldironnow]

m143 wrote

I wonder what is the improvement from the OHLINS units?

Indeed. Öhlins, being a top-shelf product, is something that is desired for suspension compliance.

But it seems like they are happy with the quality they've purchased from Marzocchi.







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[Fatfatboy]

m143 wrote

I wonder what is the improvement from the OHLINS units?

$1,150 savings 😄

[m143]

I like that they ditched the keyless ignition.

That fob is too big and I've already had to change the battery. I now shut the fob off when I'm not riding.

[Fatfatboy]

aaaauuuccchhhh keyless!!!! I'm so sick of keyless everything. What the H-E double hockey stick is wrong with a freaking key!?

The key fobs are bulky where as a key is a thin piece of brass you can fit in your pocket along with several other keys.

I don't mind the one on my Fatboy. It's a push button fob for the security so I have the option if I want to use it or not and it's not very thick. Harley changed later to the big fat round fobs that don't have the button. You have to have the fob on or near the bike to shut the security off and start the bike. Just moving it in the garage required going in the house and getting the fob or the alarm would squeal.
My CVO Softail was the same way.
Getting off the bike it beeps to tell you it's alarmed. Walk up to the bike it beeps to tell you it's un-alarmed. Walk near it with the fob in your pocket, "BEEP, BEEP!" Shut-up already.

The '16 trike I have doesn't have security so it's just a plain ol' barrel key and I like it.

It's really getting bad in construction. Everyone wants keyless entry into their buildings adding unnecessary wiring and expensive hardware just because they want to use a stupid card swipe or a phone app to unlock their door. It irritates me to see how much of our tax dollars are being spent because people are too lazy to pull a key out of their pocket and enter a building! The hardware cost more than the stupid door! And this stuff malfunctions. Typically at 5:00 pm on a Friday when all the techs are already at home slammin beers.
Keyless entry! Who needs it!?

Rant over.

[Mad4TheCrest]

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[Fatfatboy]

I’m sure it all has to do with price point.
Using the same wheel size is less inventory.
I didn’t catch the Nissan brakes on the X but again I’m sure it all as to do with getting the price down.
Manufacturing prices have been on the rise so the only way to keep prices down, especially since salaries are not reflecting inflation, is to cheapen up on the manufacturing costs.

Since less motorcycles are being bought they have to figure out how to make more money off less sales to keep the bean counters satisfied and the lights on.
At least that is my take on it.

[oldironnow]

Keyless entry is all about human control, no?

Data logging who was where and when.
Instant lockout for people who become dangerous or undesirable.
Keeps people from skulking around off hours in places and things…

Just a few years ago, a 25-year manager told me he swiped into a sorting hub on a Sunday to work on scheduling. Settled into the dispatch office. Minutes later, security is there telling him to leave.
“I’m working! This is my office! You see me all the time!”
“You’re not on the list to be in here today. You’ve got to go.”


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[Fatfatboy]

That’s a good point Oldiron. It makes sense in situations like public access buildings and such but I don’t see the purpose on vehicles.
My challenger has keyless entry. As long has the fob is in my pocket and I put my hand on the door handle it automatically unlocks the doors. It has a small metal key inserted in the fob so that if it malfunctions you can still get in the car but there is nothing for the ignition except a button. It’s nice when it works but cars get old and if the ignition button fails I’m stuck.  There’s no cylinder to put the key into.

These things usually malfunction when you’re 300 miles from home or late night after a concert in January in a cold parking garage.

[whatarush]

I’m really liking the newer bikes that Triumph is putting out.

My buddy rode his 1200RR this weekend while down in AR. IMO it looks a lot better in person than in pictures

[oldironnow]

Fatfatboy wrote

That’s a good point Oldiron. It makes sense in situations like public access buildings and such but I don’t see the purpose on vehicles.
My challenger has keyless entry. As long has the fob is in my pocket and I put my hand on the door handle it automatically unlocks the doors. It has a small metal key inserted in the fob so that if it malfunctions you can still get in the car but there is nothing for the ignition except a button. It’s nice when it works but cars get old and if the ignition button fails I’m stuck.  There’s no cylinder to put the key into.

These things usually malfunction when you’re 300 miles from home or late night after a concert in January in a cold parking garage.

I couldn’t agree more. ^
If i lose my keys, i have spares safety pinned inside yhe vent folds of my Hein Gericke.
If I lose my jacket, i should still have my key.
For the trucks, magnetic key boxes way up under the bed walls.

[oldironnow]

whatarush wrote

I’m really liking the newer bikes that Triumph is putting out.

My buddy rode his 1200RR this weekend while down in AR. IMO it looks a lot better in person than in pictures

That fairing is good
Makes my son get all wobbly in the knees.

[Mad4TheCrest]

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[whatarush]

Spot on, to most of his comments…he makes me nervous watching him tippy toe it around. It had a recall just after he bought it, that he was pissed about. But I can’t remember what.

[oldironnow]

whatarush wrote

Spot on, to most of his comments…he makes me nervous watching him tippy toe it around. It had a recall just after he bought it, that he was pissed about. But I can’t remember what.

They found factory uninstalled rear ride height and insisted on fitting it?
“It’s either that, or we void yer warranty, mate…”

[hacksaw]

They don’t interest me

whatarush wrote

I’m really liking the newer bikes that Triumph is putting out.

My buddy rode his 1200RR this weekend while down in AR. IMO it looks a lot better in person than in pictures

[hacksaw]

oldironnow wrote

Fatfatboy wrote

That’s a good point Oldiron. It makes sense in situations like public access buildings and such but I don’t see the purpose on vehicles.
My challenger has keyless entry. As long has the fob is in my pocket and I put my hand on the door handle it automatically unlocks the doors. It has a small metal key inserted in the fob so that if it malfunctions you can still get in the car but there is nothing for the ignition except a button. It’s nice when it works but cars get old and if the ignition button fails I’m stuck.  There’s no cylinder to put the key into.

These things usually malfunction when you’re 300 miles from home or late night after a concert in January in a cold parking garage.

I couldn’t agree more. ^
If i lose my keys, i have spares safety pinned inside yhe vent folds of my Hein Gericke.
If I lose my jacket, i should still have my key.
For the trucks, magnetic key boxes way up under the bed walls.

As long as there are still keys.
The issue here is keys are a thing of the past.